My main source is http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1401
http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?category=7&article=1428
MYTH #1: The Bible condemns homosexuality & same-gender relationships.
FACT: There is not one condemnation of
homosexuality as one's innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In
fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original
manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek,
in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable
translation of the word, exist.
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Me
This is not a myth by any means, there is evidence for it being in scripture......
The Greek word translated “homosexual” in this passage is a metaphorical use of a term that literally means “soft,” and when referring to people, refers to males allowing themselves to be used sexually by other males. Again, lexicographers apply the term to the person who is a “catamite,” i.e., a male who submits his body to another male for unnatural lewdness—i.e., homosexually (Thayer, p. 387; Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 489).
This is dealing with 1 cor 6:9
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Me
This is not a myth by any means, there is evidence for it being in scripture......
The Greek word translated “homosexual” in this passage is a metaphorical use of a term that literally means “soft,” and when referring to people, refers to males allowing themselves to be used sexually by other males. Again, lexicographers apply the term to the person who is a “catamite,” i.e., a male who submits his body to another male for unnatural lewdness—i.e., homosexually (Thayer, p. 387; Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 489).
This is dealing with 1 cor 6:9
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MYTH #2: The Old Testament teaches that God destroyed an entire city because of homosexuality.
FACT: Even a cursory reading of the
story of Sodom in Genesis chapters 18 & 19 makes this myth
ludicrous. First of all, in Genesis Chapter 18, God appears to have
decided to destroy the city before the infamous "homosexual" act with angels was attempted.
Jude 1:5-7 is a passage that is ambiguous so that manuscripts differ, especially in verse seven, where some make reference to "strange
flesh" (KJV, NKJV) and others do not. This most likely refers to humans
having sex with angelic beings. (Cf. Gen. 6:2-4) The inference is that
the sexual immorality and perversion that took place in Sodom and
Gomorrah was deemed as such because the men attempted to have
nonconsensual sex with the angelic beings who came to rescue Lot's
family. (Gen. 19:1) This dramatic account has nothing whatsoever to do
with two people of the same gender who are in a loving relationship. It
is time for all sensible, truth-loving people to look at the story of
Sodom and Gomorrah in its entire context, and stop twisting it to suit
their bigotry and prejudice.
Furthermore, in over 40 references to
Sodom in the Scriptures, not one of these makes specific reference to
homosexuality. If homosexuality were the "sin of Sodom," you would think
that there would be at least one! In fact, there is one very specific
reference to what Sodom’s sin actually was: Ezekiel 16:49,50 says, "Now
this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were
arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did
away with them as you have seen" (NIV). If homosexuality was the "sin of
Sodom," this was Ezekiel’s perfect opportunity to declare that fact and
he missed it!
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What does the scripture say thou?
Genesis 19:5-8
and they call unto Lot and say to him, `Where [are] the men who have come in unto thee to-night? bring them out unto us, and we know them.'
6 And Lot goeth out unto them, to the opening, and the door hath shut behind him,
7 and saith, `Do not, I pray you, my brethren, do evil;
8 lo,
I pray you, I have two daughters, who have not known any one; let me, I
pray you, bring them out unto you, and do to them as [is] good in your
eyes; only to these men do not anything, for therefore have they come in
within the shadow of my roof.'
The daughters were already residents of Sodom, and would have been known to the men. Lot was offering his daughters to the men as sexual alternatives. Lot specifically said: “I have two daughters who have not known a man” (Genesis 19:8, emp. added). “Known” is another reference to sexual intercourse.
Considering the meaning of “strange” in its only occurrences (in English) in the KJV (11 times), NKJV (7 times), ASV (10 times), RSV (6 times), and NIV (5 times), one finds that it never is used to refer to angels, but instead refers to: “strange things” (Luke 5:26—i.e., a miracle); “strange land” (Acts 7:6—i.e., Egypt); “strange gods” (Acts 17:18); “strange things” (Acts 17:20—i.e., ideas); “strange cities” (Acts 26:11—i.e., Gentile or outside Palestine); “strange tongues” (1 Corinthians 14:21—i.e., foreign languages); “strange country” (Hebrews 11:9—i.e., Canaan); “strange doctrines” (Hebrews 13:9); “think it strange” (1 Peter 4:4—i.e., odd); “some strange thing” (1 Peter 4:12—i.e., unusual); and “strange flesh” (Jude 7—i.e., male with male). All the other occurrences of the underlying Greek term in the New Testament further undergird the nonapplication of the term to “angelic flesh” (Moulton, et al., 1978, pp. 392-393).
Do the advocates of homosexuality wish to hold the position that the populations of the four cities that were destroyed were all guilty of desiring sexual relations with angels? Perhaps the latest sexual fad that swept over all the cities in the vicinity was “angel sex”? And are we to believe that the great warning down through the ages regarding the infamous behavior of the inhabitants of Sodom—a warning that is repeated over and over again down through the ages to people in many places and periods of history (Deuteronomy 29:23; 32:32; Isaiah 1:9; 3:9; 13:19; Jeremiah 23:14; 49:18; 50:40; Lamentations 4:6; Ezekiel 16:46,49,53,55; Amos 4:11; Zephaniah 2:9; Matthew 10:15; 11:24; Luke 10:12; 17:29; Romans 9:29; 2 Peter 2:6; Revelation 11:8)—is: “Do not have sex with angels!”? How many times have you been tempted to violate that warning? The opportunity presents itself on a regular basis, right? The country is full of “single angel” bars! No, what Barclay labeled as “the glare of Sodom and Gomorrah,” which is “flung down the whole length of Scripture history” (p. 218), is not angel sex! It is same-sex relations—men with men. And, unbelievably, now the very warning that has been given down through the ages needs to be issued to America!
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The daughters were already residents of Sodom, and would have been known to the men. Lot was offering his daughters to the men as sexual alternatives. Lot specifically said: “I have two daughters who have not known a man” (Genesis 19:8, emp. added). “Known” is another reference to sexual intercourse.
Considering the meaning of “strange” in its only occurrences (in English) in the KJV (11 times), NKJV (7 times), ASV (10 times), RSV (6 times), and NIV (5 times), one finds that it never is used to refer to angels, but instead refers to: “strange things” (Luke 5:26—i.e., a miracle); “strange land” (Acts 7:6—i.e., Egypt); “strange gods” (Acts 17:18); “strange things” (Acts 17:20—i.e., ideas); “strange cities” (Acts 26:11—i.e., Gentile or outside Palestine); “strange tongues” (1 Corinthians 14:21—i.e., foreign languages); “strange country” (Hebrews 11:9—i.e., Canaan); “strange doctrines” (Hebrews 13:9); “think it strange” (1 Peter 4:4—i.e., odd); “some strange thing” (1 Peter 4:12—i.e., unusual); and “strange flesh” (Jude 7—i.e., male with male). All the other occurrences of the underlying Greek term in the New Testament further undergird the nonapplication of the term to “angelic flesh” (Moulton, et al., 1978, pp. 392-393).
Do the advocates of homosexuality wish to hold the position that the populations of the four cities that were destroyed were all guilty of desiring sexual relations with angels? Perhaps the latest sexual fad that swept over all the cities in the vicinity was “angel sex”? And are we to believe that the great warning down through the ages regarding the infamous behavior of the inhabitants of Sodom—a warning that is repeated over and over again down through the ages to people in many places and periods of history (Deuteronomy 29:23; 32:32; Isaiah 1:9; 3:9; 13:19; Jeremiah 23:14; 49:18; 50:40; Lamentations 4:6; Ezekiel 16:46,49,53,55; Amos 4:11; Zephaniah 2:9; Matthew 10:15; 11:24; Luke 10:12; 17:29; Romans 9:29; 2 Peter 2:6; Revelation 11:8)—is: “Do not have sex with angels!”? How many times have you been tempted to violate that warning? The opportunity presents itself on a regular basis, right? The country is full of “single angel” bars! No, what Barclay labeled as “the glare of Sodom and Gomorrah,” which is “flung down the whole length of Scripture history” (p. 218), is not angel sex! It is same-sex relations—men with men. And, unbelievably, now the very warning that has been given down through the ages needs to be issued to America!
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MYTH #3: The Bible calls homosexuality an "abomination."
FACT: Because biblical exegesis of Old
Testament Law and the word "abomination" is beyond the scope of this
tract, let it suffice to say that what is interpreted as "abomination,"
where homosexuality is concerned, is also made in reference to eating
seafood without fins or scales and several other dietary and ceremonial
laws. (See Leviticus 11:10,12). So the next time someone spouts off to
you, that being in a loving, caring, intimate relationship with another
human being who happens to be the same gender is an "abomination,"
remind them that according to Old Testament Law, so is eating a bowl of
clam chowder!
It is also very important to remember
that one of the basic tenets of New Testament Christianity is that all
of those "abominations" of the Old Testament Law are abolished. People
who "pick and choose" some Old Testament laws while ignoring others,
need to be reminded that "... now we are discharged from the Law, dead
to that which held us captive, so that we are slaves not under the old
written code but in the new life of the Spirit" (Romans 7:6).
Furthermore, by holding you to a few specific Old Testament laws, while
they, themselves, do not practice every single one of them is pure
hypocrisy. Galatians Chapter 3 tells us that when people choose to live
by Old Testament Law, they must keep ALL the Law. For those who choose
to live by the law, if they break one law, they have broken them ALL.
Those who impose one sentence of the Law on another, while not keeping
the WHOLE Law themselves, are establishing their own
righteousness! This is a total insult to the doctrine of grace, which
says that salvation is purely by God’s unearned favor through faith.
(Ephesians 2:8-9)
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Me
It true we are no longer bound to the Law but homosexual is not just out right spoken against in the OT but also under The new Covenant, oblivious some things in the Old were brought into the new, The law we are under is The law of Christ, committing sin with others is going against this law.
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It true we are no longer bound to the Law but homosexual is not just out right spoken against in the OT but also under The new Covenant, oblivious some things in the Old were brought into the new, The law we are under is The law of Christ, committing sin with others is going against this law.
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MYTH #4: Not just the Old Testament, but the New Testament also condemns homosexuality.
FACT: It is interesting, to say the
least, that despite homosexuality being looked on as the "vilest of
sins," as it is so often referred to, Jesus never mentioned it!
Furthermore, as was already mentioned, the words "homosexual" or
"homosexuality" did not exist in the original Greek and Aramaic
languages of the New Testament. There are only three passages of
Scripture in the N.T. which have been cited in reference to
homosexuality. The first is Romans, Chapter 1. In this passage, the
Apostle Paul gives a very specific list of characteristics describing
those in question: He describes them as those who once knew God, but who
chose not to honor God as God. Instead, they worshiped material images
of human beings, birds, animals, and reptiles as objects of worship
rather than the One True Living God. We are told that they were filled
with EVERY kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, and malice. They were
full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, gossip, slander,
insolence, haughtiness, and boastfulness. They were inventors of evil,
rebellious toward parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, and ruthless.
(NRSV) As a result of their total depravity, God turned them over
to complete spiritual ruin, so that they left no stone of sexual
debauchery unturned, engaging in mass orgies and idolatrous sexual cult
worship, which included both homosexual and heterosexual debauchery.
These murderous, malicious people who
worshiped idols and hated God after once knowing Him, have NOTHING to
do with people who have a sincere desire to love and worship the Lord
Jesus Christ and who happen to be homosexual. Today, there are
multitudes of homosexual people who are tirelessly yearning to be a part
of the Church so that they can WORSHIP the One True Living God and
profess Jesus as their Savior. Anyone who can possibly equate the
monstrous, reprobate people of Romans 1 to modern-day gay and lesbian
people who reach out to humanity, love and respect their parents, and
who have been expelled from the church they love, just for being
homosexual, is not using common sense! Like those religious leaders who
scorned Jesus, they have chosen to believe lies founded on their traditions.
In fact, rather than Romans 1 being
intended as a warning to gay and lesbian people, its actual purpose is
revealed in the first verse of Chapter 2, where Paul rebukes his readers
for passing judgment on others! The entire First Chapter of Romans was
given to rebuke those who were being judgmental so as to "despise the
riches of God’s kindness and forbearance and patience," forgetting that
it is God’s kindness that leads men and women to repentance" (Romans
2:4). In other words, while many Christians use Romans Chapter 1 as a
means of clobbering gay and lesbian people, the truth is that this
chapter was actually written to rebuke those original readers for being
so self-righteous and finger-pointing, that they forgot just how
forbearing and gentle God was toward them! In their vindictive,
finger-pointing, self-righteous preaching, they were forgetting that
"all have sinned (missed the mark) and fall short of the glory of God,"
(Romans 3:23) including themselves! No one who has truly humbled himself
or herself, and acknowledged his or her own missing of the mark, can
ever point a finger of judgment at someone else.
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Me
Now lets get to some stuff they did not address
First romans
4 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who
changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the
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Now lets get to some stuff they did not address
First romans
4 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
I made the parts Bold that make it clear, Paul is directly saying men with men and leaving the natural use of women, meaning man being with man not women in sexual sense is not The natural foundation that God had put into place Also some make the argument that to a homosexual going straight is not natural and would be a sin for him to do so and for the heterosexual to homosexual but before they make such a argument, they need to prove a gay gene.
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The other New Testament references, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, involve just two Greek words, malakoi and arsenokoitai. There are many good dissertations on the translations of these words, which are available in bookstores and libraries. For the purpose of this pamphlet, suffice it to say that over the centuries, malakoi has been translated and interpreted in every possible way, from the general term "sexual perverts" to those who masturbate! In Matthew 11:8, malakoi is translated "soft" in reference to clothing, and in the context of other literature, it has even been used in reference to moral weakness. Only recently has the term been translated "homosexual," which is a serious violation of Biblical exegesis. Michael England, in his book, The Bible and Homosexuality, makes note of the fact that in 1 Corinthians 6:9, both malakoi and arsenokoitai are listed separately, and yet, some translators come up with "the entirely unjustified translations which choose to ignore the fact of the two separate words." (P.44) Thus, what the Greek Interlinear translates "voluptuous persons" and the vague term, "sodomite," some translations have rendered the single word, "homosexual." Again, it is extremely important to remember that every seeming reference to homosexuality in the Bible is based solely on interpolation and conjecture, and under no circumstance does the Bible make reference to, or condemn gay men and women who have a sincere desire to live in a committed, loving relationship, professing Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior.
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Me
Sodomites” (“abusers of themselves with mankind” in the KJV) is a translation of the term arsenokoitai. It derives from two words: arsein (a male) and koitei (a bed), and refers to one who engages in sex with a male as with a female (Thayer, p. 75). Paul used the same term when he wrote to Timothy to discuss certain behaviors that are both “contrary to sound doctrine” and characteristic of the one who is not “a righteous man” (1 Timothy 1:9-10).
As D. Gene West correctly observed regarding Paul’s letter to Timothy:
We can see from the context that homosexual activities are classed with such sins as patricide, matricide, homicide, kidnapping, and perjury. If we accept that any of these things are sins, we must accept that all are sins. If it is a sin to be a whoremonger, to pursue a lascivious life with prostitutes, then it is likewise a sin to engage in homosexual acts. There is no way to escape that conclusion. If it is a sin to murder one’s father, or mother, or some other human being, then it is a sin for both males and females to “cohabitate” (2004).When Paul said to the Christians at Corinth, “such were some of you,” he proved not only that homosexuals may be forgiven, but that they can cease such sinful activity. Here we have a clear biblical indication that someone can change their sexual orientation, and can be forgiven of a past immoral lifestyle. We are forced to conclude that sexual activity between persons of the same sex is not a matter of genetics; but is a behavioral phenomenon associated largely with environmental factors (see the August 2004 issue of Reason and Revelation)__________________________________________________________________________
FACT: The Bible has several instances of persons of the same gender expressing intimate affection for each other. In fact, the Old Testament story of Jonathan and David tells us that Jonathan loved David "as his own soul," and that when Jonathan’s father, Saul, forced them to separate from each other, they began to weep and in the Hebrew text, "they kissed one another..." (1 Samuel 20:41). Because of modern homophobia, one paraphrase of the Bible has actually taken the license to distort this passage: Completely omitting the original phrase "they kissed" (Heb: nashaq), the publisher substituted it with the words, "they sadly shook hands"!
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It is a popular jewish tradition to give each other a kiss, even in the New testament it says greet each other with a holy kiss as a greeting ALSO the Hebrew word for “love” used here is not the typical word used for sexual activity. This word for “love” has clear political and diplomatic connotations (see 1 Samuel 16:21 and 1 Kings 5:1
http://www.gotquestions.org/David-and-Jonathan.html
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Another example: The Greek Interlinear of John 13:23-25, reads like this: One of the disciples whom Jesus loved "in the bosom (Gk: kolpos) of Jesus was reclining." (v. 23) and "falling back on the breast (Gk: stethos)
of Jesus, that one says to him..." (v. 25) Could it be because of
present-day homophobia that more modern "translations" have violated
this passage by TOTALLY ELIMINATING THE GREEK WORDS FOR "BOSOM" AND
"BREAST" in the original manuscripts, instead using phrases such as
"leaning back against Jesus" (NIV)? Is the thought of a man laying his
head on the breast of another man simply too much for them? Right here,
before our very eyes, the Biblical literalists have committed a total
violation of literal translation. Much to their shame, it is they who
are guilty of twisting the Scriptures for their own comfort.
MYTH #6: AIDS is God’s punishment on homosexuality.
FACT: This myth is so inane that it is
hardly worthy of response. Anyone who has taken the time to read the
morning newspaper knows that AIDS is a world-wide disease, that the
majority of those who suffer with AIDS are not homosexual, and that in
certain third-world countries, as much as 60 % of the country’s heterosexual and child population is afflicted with AIDS.
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I think what people mean there no evidence of sexual relationships within the same gender, which there are not.
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The bottom line is we are saved by grace through faith but true faith will produce fruit! Good fruit! Homosexual is something The Holy spirit will never lead the person in!
http://opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm
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I think what people mean there no evidence of sexual relationships within the same gender, which there are not.
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The bottom line is we are saved by grace through faith but true faith will produce fruit! Good fruit! Homosexual is something The Holy spirit will never lead the person in!
http://opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm
Mk 7:9-10 For Moses said, "Honor your father and your mother"